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January 25, 2007

Amanda Marcotte: No Great Logician

I do love reading Amanda Marcotte at times: it reminds me of quite how contrary many American liberals are. Try this on the subject of women divorcing after the children have grown and left:

I love that last sentence’s caginess. “Something” might be gained—a woman’s independence, freedom and chance at happiness. Oh, but “something” might be lost—a man will lose his ability to treat his supposed beloved like his god-given servant without any fear of consequences. To think that the former should be the easy sacrifice to the latter speaks volumes of the disrespect and loathing for women that is behind the nostalgia for the 50s exhibited by Lileks and his ilk.

OK, great, now, imagine her reaction if we switch male and female. The man leaves after the children are grown because, say, he wants to have more children, but this is not possible with wife number 1, or he wants to find himself with some arm candy, or, perhaps, a man's independence, freedom and chance at happiness might be gained.

Do we think her reaction would be quite so celebratory?

Update. I think we had better score this one Ms. Marcotte 1, Timmy 0.

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Amanda does a great job of pointing out the fallacy of your argument here, Tim.


Posted by: Mike | Jan 26, 2007 12:18:30 AM

Ha ha ha you got owned by a woman. I feel for you, really I do.

Posted by: Tanya | Jan 26, 2007 1:45:01 AM


It does seem as if Amanda has the better of you on this one. Your "switch" isn't really a switch, I don't think.

Posted by: Daniel | Jan 26, 2007 4:19:07 AM

"I love anti-feminists who try to play like they are pro-equality, but can only think that highly of themselves because they are peering through a cloud of their own sexism."

Hmm, yes. A trait of which the Blessed Amanda is totally free

...I don't think!

Posted by: JuliaM | Jan 26, 2007 5:34:40 AM

I have to say it does look like you got pretty badly caught here, and it was all because you used that Scott Burgess trick of calling someone an idiot because of what you think they might have said in some hypothetical situation rather than something they actually said.

Posted by: dsquared | Jan 26, 2007 8:20:56 AM

And then Amanda made exactly the same mistake about Tim's post, as I have pointed out in her comments.

Posted by: Squander Two | Jan 26, 2007 10:15:12 AM

Squander Two,

Where? Can't see a comment from you.

Posted by: Cleanthes | Jan 26, 2007 10:18:17 AM

Oh, yeah, it's awaiting moderation.

Posted by: Squander Two | Jan 26, 2007 11:50:31 AM

Have to respect a person who can admit when they are wrong.

Posted by: Shinobi | Jan 26, 2007 3:23:42 PM

My children are almost grown. Soon, my sentence will be over.

Posted by: loki on the run | Feb 3, 2007 5:52:08 PM

At least you don't hide negative comments like Frau marcotte by deleting the "inconvenient truth" of opposing arguments and silencing posters by cowardly banning them from posting further.

Posted by: Dennis | Feb 5, 2007 3:35:23 PM

Given the patronizing tone of the title of this post and the opinions expressed within it, I expect we probably disagree on most everything else(at least relating to feminism), but i really, truly, respect the fact that you can admit to being wrong like this.

Posted by: A.N. | Apr 16, 2007 7:09:46 PM