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December 22, 2005

Free Speech and the Liberal Democrats.

Well done the Scottish Liberal Democrats. Yes, well done lads.

They’ve chucked Neil Craig out of the party for blogging and writing to the newspapers.

Clap, clap, clap.

How liberal of you.

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Tracked on Dec 22, 2005 7:01:51 PM


He has an interesting blog, but he does take a strident pro-Serb line, and he does publicly call Paddy Ashdown a Nazi.
The party's response may not be terribly "liberal", but it's slightly interesting in that a) they read his blog, and probably others, and b) they feel thay can do without his subscription money.
So that makes them outward-looking and slightly principled, neither of which I'd previously noticed.

Posted by: dave heasman | Dec 22, 2005 5:37:46 PM

They're not shutting him up; they're just declining to be associated with whatever he's saying. It'd be more of a genuine free speech issue if somebody tried to stop them from declining to be so associated.

As it is, this dude can go right on blogging and writing letters to editors without a moment's pause. And I am confident that he will do exactly that.

Posted by: P. Froward | Dec 22, 2005 6:49:02 PM

And, in fact, they havent expelled him; they have asked him to give a reason as to why they shouldnt because his publicly stated positions appear to be substantially opposed to party position.

On the one hand, not sure I like expulsions, on the other, all parties with an ingrained democratic structure have to be careful about entryists.

At one point at Uni, I and a few friends discussed the idea of getting lots of pro-EU people to join UKIP and vote for them to change the partys basic ideals.

If he thinks Ashdown is a nazi, why is he a member of the party anyway? Ashdown was one of the only strongly capable politicians theyve had of late.

Posted by: MatGB | Dec 22, 2005 8:37:23 PM


Tim, what is wrong with your trackbacking? Haloscan keeps giving me the same error message, and haloscan is the only system I can find for Blogger.

Anyway, Not Little England: LibDem expulsion? A brief little fisking...

Posted by: MatGB | Dec 23, 2005 2:07:56 AM

So somebody trying to counter the appalling demonisation of the Serbs is thrown out of the Liberal Democrats. (And let's face it, all 3 of the warring parties in Bosnia were pretty appalling, certainly not just the Serbs).

Meanwhile, we have Jenny Tong who publicly sympathises with suicide bombers indiscriminately attacking, killing and maiming innocent civilians simply because they are Jewish. She isn't thrown out of the party as she should have been, instead she is rewarded by being ennobled and sent to the House of Lords.

Needless to say I yet again feel my decision to leave the (il)Liberal Democrats to be completely vindicated.

Posted by: David B. Wildgoose | Dec 23, 2005 8:28:50 AM

@ David; Tonge didn't 'sympathise', she said she understood why. Huge difference, media demonisation notwithstanding.

I can understand why they do it, doesn't mean I think they should, nor that I think slaughtering innocents is ever a good idea.

And this bloke a) hasn't been expelled and b) called Ashdown a nazi. He's been asked to explain himself and his actions. you don't have a right to party membership. Re the demonising of the Serbs, I don't think anyone at the time or later has said the Croats were much better, and Tudjman's support of the Ustache and adoption of its flag was pretty stupid even if he wasn't a fascist sympathiser (and I personally believe he was).

This guy seems to have taken a pretty one sided view, which isn't what Ashdown did at the time or later.

Posted by: MatGB | Dec 23, 2005 4:54:45 PM

He has been expelled - reread that letter. He just has a right to appeal.

Posted by: James Graham | Dec 23, 2005 5:41:23 PM


How liberal. How democratic.

How Scottish.

Posted by: The g-Gnome | Dec 24, 2005 8:07:37 AM

Its strange to see many who accuse Jenny Tong of being sympathetic towards Palestinians. While they accuse the Palestinians of killing innocent Jews they forget to mention about the killings and oppression that has been carried out by the by the state of Israel. I hope the rest of the world sees these Zionists who make excuses for the injustice they carry out against Palestinians. I am from Srilanka and witnessed the killings and torture of innocent Tamil civilians by the Srilankan forces and the government. So I fully understand the anger and frustration of Palestinians. People like Dr Jenny Tong are honest and caring human beings unlike majority of hypocrites Zionists.

Posted by: shri | May 6, 2006 9:31:00 PM