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September 02, 2005
Gutting the Law.
Another piece of absurdity from this crowd of know-nothings.
Killers should serve longer in prison if their victims' relatives can persuade judges to increase their sentences, a government minister said yesterday.
Harriet Harman, the constitutional affairs minister, was proposing that relatives of murder or manslaughter victims should have the opportunity to make a verbal statement in court after conviction, but before sentence.
She revealed that relatives might face cross-examination on their statements by defence counsel if the facts were disputed.
In a consultation paper published yesterday, the Government avoided the question of what effect a relative's comments might have on the sentence passed in a manslaughter case, or the minimum period to be served by a murderer.
But asked directly whether the statement could or should affect the length of time an offender spent in prison, Miss Harman admitted: "It might do".
What is this? Adding the principles of Sharia law to the Common Law? So if the husband of the murdered woman says "Well, I forgive him, I was going to leave her anyway, saved me a lot in alimony, actually" then he gets off?
As Jarndyce wrote some months back:
Well, not quite. Because it seems that this remarkably efficient self-publicist speaks for me, or at least people like me. I have a right to a say in the sentence handed down, apparently, and maybe if NuLabour are re-elected that right will become law. My 'feelings' as a parent of the victim ought to be considered when the punishment is handed down by the court.
To
which the only appropriate response is: complete bollocks. This isn't
fucking Sharia law, or any other form of populist LCD 'justice'. We
have a legal system based on sound principles which deals with this
sort of thing. The only way to ensure an equitable outcome is for
judges and juries to take a dispassionate view. Otherwise what you are
left with isn't justice, but institutionalized and sentimentalized
state vengeance. As with ID cards, detention without trial and double
jeopardy, Labour
seem unable or unwilling to grasp basic law. They might have jettisoned
their own principles without a second thought, but they shouldn't be
allowed to dump society's so thoughtlessly. It's up to us on May 5th.
Quite. And as Ms. Harriman says:
While admitting that she was "proposing a big change in the way courts work"
So why are you doing it? Pandering to the crowd? But you’re the Constitutional Affairs Minister! You’re supposed to protect things like the Majesty of the Law from interference from bone headed populists, not encourage them!
There are days when I think Guy Fawkes had the right idea.
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"There are days when I think Guy Fawkes had the right idea."
Careful. You'll have Charles Clarke sending the boys round...
Posted by: Chris White | Sep 2, 2005 9:39:06 AM
This lot are utterly pragmatic in their decisions and actions. They have no concept of principles or basics in anything they do.
Posted by: Chris harper | Sep 2, 2005 10:51:12 AM
Well Guido is reputed to be the last person to enter parliament with honest intentions.
I just find it strange that a government stacked full of lawyers has such a limited understanding of the foundations of British law and justice.
What the hell are our law schools teaching these days? Even allowing for the fact that Tony's crowd were the class dimwits (they'd be earning big bucks as real lawyers otherwise) surely some of the principles taught would have stuck between their ears.
And if it's not the law schools fault, then we have definitive proof that this crowd are educationally sub-normal and shouldn't be in charge of a paddling pool let alone a country.
RM
Posted by: Remittance Man | Sep 2, 2005 11:26:06 AM
I thought that I was the only one who had listened to the crap put out by Harman during the brief interview yesterday a.m.
As I said on my own site, "No. on the whole I would argue against the option to allow victims, or relatives of victims, to speak in court before sentencing! What I would endorse wholeheartedly is the insertion of a thin strip of stainless steel into the spinal structures of every Senior and High Court judge in this ‘goody-goody, let’s not be too unkind to the criminal, left-wing, liberally-inclined excuse for a judicial system we have been lumbered with’; so that we might see true justice given to clowns who hear such sentencing treasures as "community service always is of value", and then have to rupture themselves in the attempt to stop laughing out loud!
Posted by: Mike Cunningham | Sep 2, 2005 2:44:59 PM
The Blair years have been kind to Ms Mimsy Chump.
Posted by: dearieme | Sep 2, 2005 4:00:09 PM
Tim, am I missing something here? This sounds like the American way of conducting the sentencing phase. It's supposed to allow for the sentencing to be based on the impact of the crime. Why is it being compared to Sharia law and not American jurisprudence?
Posted by: B's Freak | Sep 3, 2005 3:52:02 PM