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April 15, 2007
Ms. Marcotte
Forgive me if I find a certain amount of amusement in this triviality.
A quick recap, I have a gentle snark at Amanda Marcotte because she calls The Independent (just in the interests of disclosure, it's a newspaper I've written for, once) a "right wing rag". Something slightly (even if trivially) amusing to those of us who actually read the UK press.
She then blogs back that I'm taking the entire right wing blogosphere another step towards irrelevance. Which of course I am, on a regular basis. That's the instructions I get from Patriarchy Central and who am I to argue?
But what elevates this for me from mere triviality to real amusement is her comments following on from her own blog post. (Those who play close attention will see that this blog post itself is taking us dangerously close to the meta-meta-meta-blogging horizon.)
Viz:
I think he was continuing to play the right wing game of “Look! Amanda’s politics are to the left of John Edwards!” It’s a fascinating game, because it’s another example of right wingers assuming that their one malfunctions can be used as “rules” they get to hold liberals to. In this case, their lockstep, unthinking adherence to the ideology dictated to them by the right wing is assumed to be a value that the left can be held to. The democratic ideal where our President is a citizen and people can work together despite differences is inconceivable to them. Apparently, by not heiling my chosen leader, I’m failing somehow.
Now I did indeed mention John Edwards, but not as a reference to her short-lived job but as a reference to a politician I would assume she had some idea of where to place on the ideological spectrum. As to describing me as someone who marches in ideological lock-step, well, she obviously doesn't read much around here but then of course there's no reason she should.
Then this:
Or maybe I’m reading too much into it and my first interpretation—that the wingnuts are desperately clutching at straws and don’t have anything of value to say outside of throwing gotchas wildly around in hopes one will stick and ruin someone else needlessly—is correct.
Me? Ruin? Good Grief. Pointing out a mild factual error is trying to ruin someone?
Could I just suggest, however gently, that Ms. Marcotte is a touch overwrought here?
Update! and there's more!
Mr Eugenides adds (what I think in my patriarchal manner to be) a very reasonable comment. Then:
If this thread wasn’t evidence that right wing blogging types are basement dwellers that literally have nothing better to do than try to create non-controversies, I don’t know what is.
AMANDA MISTOOK ONE BRITISH PAPER FOR ANOTHER! WE FINALLY HAVE THE PROOF WE NEED THAT LIBERALS HATE AMERICA. TO YOUR KERNING STATIONS, WINGNUTS!
Well, yes, Amanda did. If Amanda had said "Yup" then this would all be over by know, wouldn't it?
This sort of relentless dwelling over a minor, inconsequential mistake is a personality trait that domestic violence counselors warn women to be on the lookout for, for what it’s worth. Wives of wingnuts, take note: You’re married to men that have a tendency to troll for tiny flaws so they are “justified” in the upcoming beatdown.
Relentless? Err, a "yup" would have solved it, would it not?
Observer, you are disingenous in the extreme. I never said that Tim’s bizarre fascination with making hay over my mistaking the Independent for the Mail (which is what I did, not that you care, since you’re more interested in scoring points than getting at the truth) had anything to do with sexism. Just that he’s a bored, basement-dweller who flings shit randomly to see what sticks. Like, for instance, you, with your making up rules about how I’m supposed to run my comment section so that anti-feminists can run it on my dime, rules I don’t agree to.
Err, now we hear it's the Mail? And I'm a bored basement dweller? Wow, someone is going to have to run this argument by me again. I'll agree that I probably blog too much but then, err, I'm not sure that I'm the only person in this discussion who does that.
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She's having the vapours. Or vapors.
Posted by: dearieme | Apr 15, 2007 5:56:40 PM
We'll see if my comment passes moderation.
Posted by: Mr Eugenides | Apr 15, 2007 7:36:50 PM
The sheer arrogance of this individual. I'm not one to jump on the 'American = arrogant' bandwagon but the fact that she believes what she describes as 'the right wing' is some homogenous entity crossing all cultural boundaries is frankly sad at best.
Posted by: Andrew Paterson | Apr 15, 2007 7:56:37 PM
I'm a regular reading of Pandagon, mostly for the spectacle. I've never heard of your blog before (no offense intended; I just don't have as much time to read as I would like, and I'm sure there's millions of blogs I should be reading but am not). This is vintage Marcotte: Nothing just is, but is rather some part of a grand conspiracy. If she bothers to respond to your post, either here or at Pandagon, count on her to portray you as sexist for calling her overwrought. Your intentions are irrelevant; criticizing a woman is sexist, unless that woman is conservative. Congrats on handling the issue with class, however.
Posted by: Observer | Apr 15, 2007 8:46:08 PM
I very much like Pandagon, have it on my feeds list and check it regularly, none of which I might say applies to Mr Worstall's blog. No offence. However, this is just daft.
Nice one with the "vapours" comment, mind you, "dearieme" - that's really funny in context. Look, this is me laughing. Ho ho!
Posted by: fridgemagnet | Apr 15, 2007 10:15:07 PM
"Pointing out a mild factual error is trying to ruin someone?"
If you've lost all sense of proportion, then yes.
And from what I've read of her blog, Marcotte never possessed a sense of proportion to begin with...
Posted by: JuliaM | Apr 16, 2007 8:10:55 AM
This exchange has certain entertainment value for Americans living outside the country..."There but the grace of god go I" sort of stuff. I do have two comments, however:
I had never read Pandagon before and a quick check showed it full of the hugely signifcant world-altering Imus debate, (for only sensible comment see http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html)
and, in reading the content, I can understand how a matter of polite correction could cause such a flap. Both extreme edges of the US political spectrum are very similar in that they see persecution and conspiricy everywhere, which I attribute to them spening a great amount of time and energy trying to convince the American people to be what they are not. The average American wants neither a socialist state nor a christian theocracy. The average American is an anarchist at heart and wants to be left alone prefering to have the Presidential office and House/Senate controlled by different parties so as to keep any significant decisions from really being made.
Next point/question: Could not the bloggers finally put an end to the use of Left and Right to describe politican thought or position. Is a system with Hitler at one and Stalin at the other really something to use on a daily basis to describe how one should live or think?
Posted by: David | Apr 16, 2007 9:00:58 AM
Your experience reminded me of a couple of posts by Squander Two about his encounter with Ms Marcotte's blog.
Posted by: Natalie Solent | Apr 16, 2007 9:19:20 AM
This meta meta blog has gone beyond my comprehension. Better to let this lie.
Posted by: Kay Tie | Apr 16, 2007 1:25:16 PM
Hey Tim, It has been a couple of years...
Any dealings with Ms. Marcotte resembles a parent dealing with a toddler having a temper tantrum in a department store.
Don't waste you talents engaging her. You'll only feel stupider and in need of a shower for doing so.
Posted by: Gordon | Apr 17, 2007 1:39:58 AM
