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August 25, 2005
Read This Now!
Read this and when your screams of outrage have diminished a little write to your MP. They Work For You is a good place to get started. Miserable bastards to refuse asylum to someone they know, they know, will be killed for their sexuality upon deportation.
Yes, our tolerant and modern, oh so modish land is sending people back to this.
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Sorry, Tim, but I disagree completely!
You are stating that it is okay to cherry-pick a law, when the particular case demands it!
No, the law is the law, and if you, or anyone else wishes that law to be altered, changed, or otherwise negated in it's impact upon any particular segment of society, you must persuade the Lawmakers to act!
Mr. Nasseri had a choice; he could have chosen to try his chances somewhere else in Europe, but instead he chose to end his life! He made that choice, not anyone within the Home Office or any other branch of government!
Posted by: Mike Cunningham | Aug 25, 2005 11:58:35 AM
In general,I don't mind sending "them" back where they came from, because they almost always came from France. Perhaps these poor chaps are in the near-vanishingly small number who really did arrive here from Shitholistan, but almost everyone else comes from France, which means that they aren't asylum seekers at all, they are just shopping around to see which economy/welfare state/security regime suits them best. I don't see why we don't just expel them back to France if we don't want them; if the French can't stop hordes using the Chunnel north-bound, we can surely sneak hordes through south-bound? The government's endless lies and incompetence on this whole business has presumably resulted in most of the population becoming indifferent to the fate of that handful of individuals who face death: shameful at every level.
Posted by: dearieme | Aug 25, 2005 11:59:13 AM
Tony Blairs New Labour is all front and no trousers (no news there).
There are some people in this party who posses some principle. People like Frank Field, Clare Short and, um, well, well, well someone anyway.
Do you really thing anyone in this government gives a shit about human rights? A government headed by Tony Blair? The only thing he ever did which showed any principle was support the President of the United States in 'The War against Terror', and even then he used all the tools of dishonesty, lies and deceite which makes him so despicable in all his actions.
THIS GOVERNMENT DOESN'T CARE about your or anyone elses rights and freedoms. They just don't give a stuff, so long as they keep their ministerial perks.
Human rights is just a phrase they use to keep a section of the electorate voting for them. Nothing more.
As a seperate but related note. I recently created a bookmark folder in firefox, entitled 'sheer fucking evil'. Only four entries so far, an item has to be deeply obscene to rate this classification. Modern Iran rates two of the entries so far. Just to share -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/10/wbels10.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/04/10/ixhome.html
http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/007325.php
http://activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4985&view=next
http://www.blacktriangle.org/blog/?p=1104
Posted by: Chris harper | Aug 25, 2005 1:12:25 PM
The NuLabour Government claims that Human Rights are a "priority" for its current presidencies of both the European Union and the G8.
Why then, are they still refusing to sign or ratify the Council of Europe's Convention on action against trafficking in human beings, which was signed in Warsaw in May ?
This seeks to grant the victims of the sex slave, prostitution and forced labour people smugglers/gangmasters, some minimal rights to be treated as victims first, rather as criminals and illegal immigrants.
Posted by: NuLabour | Aug 25, 2005 1:37:17 PM
These people get sent back to be executed, and we know that they are going to be executed. Yet there is a hue and cry sent up when Bakri was excluded from this country and forced to live in the country that he is a citizen of. Under no threat what so ever! One rule for the Islamofascists, another for everyone else.
Perhaps gay people should start attempting to destroy British society, that way they are more likely to get proper asylum. Simply facing execution does not seem enough. Perhaps there will be a strongly worded editorial from Slime O’Milne, but no I forgot these people simple want to be allowed to live and are being persecuted by Islamofascists. And he wouldn't want to upset his regular columnists, would he?
Posted by: chris | Aug 25, 2005 3:10:38 PM
This is not cherry picking the law, it is about equality under it. Not deporting people to face persecution and death is following the spirit of the law of asylum, and the letter of our obligations under the European Convention of Human Rights.
Under the convention, and our own human rights act, the UK cannot deport people to where they will face execution. These people where going to be deported to Iran not France, according to the posting, where they would clearly face execution. We cannot deport Islamofascists because of this, but apparently the Human Rights Industry finds gay people less worthy.
Posted by: chris | Aug 25, 2005 3:40:15 PM
If needs be, we should withdraw from the Euro Convention of Human Rights, rescind the Human Rights Act and ensure that we decide who may live here. If people had faith that it's our interest that's being looked after, perhaps they would start to see that some asylum seekers are genuine, rather than assuming - almost but not exactly correctly - that they are all bogus. If Labour's dishonest behaviour - and as far as I can see they really have been much worse than the Tories were on this issue - is to result in expelling people to hang, then that's just more blood on Blair's hands. We look back in horror at the expulsions from "safe" Europe in 1945, handing people over to be murdered by Tito and Stalin. Not again, please.
Posted by: dearieme | Aug 25, 2005 4:18:29 PM
If needs be, we should withdraw from the Euro Convention of Human Rights, rescind the Human Rights Act and ensure that we decide who may live here. If people had faith that it's our interest that's being looked after, perhaps they would start to see that some asylum seekers are genuine, rather than assuming - almost but not exactly correctly - that they are all bogus. If Labour's dishonest behaviour - and as far as I can see they really have been much worse than the Tories were on this issue - is to result in expelling people to hang, then that's just more blood on Blair's hands. We look back in horror at the expulsions from "safe" Europe in 1945, handing people over to be murdered by Tito and Stalin. Not again, please.
Posted by: dearieme | Aug 25, 2005 4:19:43 PM
OK, a very distressing case. However, there's a level of hyperbole in the original article that does need to be addressed. The two guys executed in Iran were actually accused of buggering underaged boys even to the extent of doing so in jail. They weren't hanged for being gay per se.
How do I know? I pointed out the Telegraph article about the case in a comment I made to this site a couple of weeks ago. And before anyone accuses me of being some "hang em, flog em" type I do think that public execution is way too extreme a punishment even for the sexual abuse of minors.
Quite frankly this case just goes to show how much of a mess the British asylum system is in. Indeed to call it a system is being too generous.
Without getting into the emotive merits or demerits of this particular case, there needs to be an acceptance that the country cannot become the refuge for every waif and stray in the world.
From that starting point, a reasonable and fair system needs to be devised. The rules of the system then need to be advertised globally. Part of the problem at the moment is that every waif and stray in the world knows that the UK has no system and is basically a soft touch.
This results in a flood of both chancers and genuine cases and no proper method to differentiate the one from the other. And that is probably the reason for the two sad cases mentioned above.
But, what's the point? I'm only a bloody engineer and tend to think logically, a charge I've yet to hear being levelled against the politicians and other hangers on who seem to make the decisions around here.
RM
Tim adds: You’re correct about the allegationsagainst those two in hte photo. The gay blogosphere is alive and firing on all cylinders with two things. 1) that those allegations were a stich up and 2) that there have been several other such executions in recent weeks without those allegations being present. Simply and merely a hanging for being gay.
The truth? I don’t know, but I agree with you that oursystem at our end is ...well, difficult to describe as a system.
Posted by: Remittance Man | Aug 26, 2005 10:34:49 AM
If what you say the gay blogospere is saying is true then I retract the statement I made concerning the two unfortunates pictured above.
Still doesn't help the two poor chaps in England though. Nothing will help others like them either until someone grasps the nettle and fixes our sorry excuse of a system.
RM
Posted by: Remittance Man | Aug 26, 2005 8:16:43 PM
It's not just gay bloggers who are saying the allegations of raping a boy are untrue. Human rights groups are saying the same thing. Fabricated charges are not exactly unusual in regimes of that type.
If it's my original piece that is being accused of hyperbole I would deny that. What I did try to do was to bring out the human reality of what happened. It's all too easy to discuss cases like this in the abstract and I'm often shocked by people's inability or refusal to empathise with other human beings. I believe it is possible for a polemical piece to combine reasoned argument with emotion and that is what I was trying to do.
Posted by: Willie Lupin | Aug 27, 2005 8:13:57 PM
I have finally received a response to the letter that I wrote about this case, and transcribed it for all to see.
http://strange_stuff.blogspot.com/2005/11/hussein-nasseri-update.html
Posted by: chris | Nov 16, 2005 9:34:20 PM
