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July 21, 2005

Bombs in London, Again.

Reports are coming in of more bombs in London. So far, three on the tube and one on a bus. No casualties reported as yet and it looks like at least some of them were detonators going off, not full bombs. There is a report that one was a nail bomb.

Others posting:

Perfect.co.uk

Europhobia.

Andew Ian Dodge.

Sky news (on TV, not online) is reporting that the bus at Shepherd’s Bush is a device, that is that there is a package on the bus, not that something has exploded.

Also, that at least one of the tube bombs, the train was at the station with doors open, a rucksack is thrown in ("with a sound like a champagne bottle breaking") followed by a flash and bang. The perpetrator ran away although several people tried to stop him.

Sky reports again that armed police have just entered a London hospital. Which one and why? more when we know. University College Hospital....which is close to Warren Street, one of the tube stations attacked.

The BBC report. Minor incidents with detonators only, although the above about the bus is incorrect. The driver reports that he heard a bang upstairs and went up to see and found the windows blown open. No injuries as far as we know (don’t even know if there was anyone on the upper part of the bus.)

Dearieme asks whether this might be some journos wanting to prove how bad security is. Don’t think so somehow, really don’t think they would go this far.

However, there might be reason to think that it’s not the same group as before (yes, yes, I know, the actual people from last time are dead).  Three tubes and a bus, yes, the same, but no suicide bombers. That’s very different.

Makes me wonder. Perhaps the guys last time round weren’t willing suicide bombers? Hhhm? Fooled by the timers or some such? This time round the bomb carriers were a little wiser about that idea?

OK, if that’s too conspirazoid, how about this. This is another group, deliberately bombing on a Thursday, same tube and bus idea, but with two major differences.

1) No suicides.

2) Crappy bombs.

One interesting thing this time round is that there are at least four live suspects who, if caught, can actually tell us what they were doing. 

Perfect quote on Sky News.

He told me he had seen a man carrying a rucksack which suddenly exploded. It was a minor explosion but enough to blow open his rucksack. Everyone rushed from the carriage. People evacuated very quickly. There was no panic.

"I didn't see anyone injured but there was shock and fright.

"There was a smell of smoke."

"The man who was holding the rucksack looked extremely dismayed."

Dismayed? British understatement is alive and well then.

As Nosemonkey says:

Looks like there are 3 or 4 suspects on the loose. No descriptions as of yet. The ones from Warren Street and Oval apparently fled out of the main station entrances, so will be on CCTV and won't get far. Fucking amateurs! What the pissing hell is the point, exactly? Paltry little explosions, don't even kill yourselves, and do it in the most heavily-filmed city in the world, where CCTV cameras cover pretty much every inch? What the hell are they playing at?

Unless there’s a lot more happening at UC Hospital, I don’t think there’s much more to say about this. They’re on CCTV, they’ll be found and they’ll have to explain themselves.

I’ll have a go at a possible explanation. No, this isn’t al Q, they haven’t shown themselves to be afraid of dying as yet. But obviously it’s someone, right?

Have you noticed how there has not been an outpouring of hatred and violence against Muslims following the first bombs? We haven’t descended into a police state where minorities tremble in fear at the passing of a police car?

Who would like it if that situation were different? Who would like to whip up racial and religious hatred in the UK? Which group can we think of, one that is most definitely known for non-suicide bombings? Who might be dim enough to think they could get away with something like this, hhm? Create the hatred they desire to further their cause ....

I have a feeling (based on no evidence at all of course) that we might find the sticky little fingers of the far right all over this one. I don’t claim it to be true, just offer it as a possibility at 2.50 pm this Thursday afternoon.

I would guess that we’ll know a great deal more when they’ve looked at the CCTV tapes.

15.05. Sky News is reporting that the police at University College Hospital are looking for a black or asian man, 6 ft tall plus, wearing a blue top with a hole in it, wires trailing from the hole. Hhhm, that could well put paid to my far right thoughts then eh?

15.30. Asian guy arrested at end of Downing Street. No evidence at all that he was anything to do with bombs.

15.55. Tony Blair in his speech says he doesn’t want to talk about, give information on, those the police have apprehended. But the police haven’t announced anyone except that fool above who was by Downing Street. What’s he talking about?

Two suspects in custody. OK, well, we’ll obviously find out soon enough what’s behind all this. One lightly injured casualty. A little old lady.

This is a nothing, a trivia.

This is worrying:

LONDON (Reuters) - England were 68-5 in reply to Australia's first innings total of 190 in the first Ashes test at Lord's on Thursday.

Australia captain Ricky Ponting won the toss and elected to bat on the opening day of the five-match series.

England fast bowler Steve Harmison captured five for 43 from 11.2 overs as Australia were skittled out before tea.

Australian pace bowler Glenn McGrath struck back to take all five England wickets (13-5-21-5)

Kevin Pietersen was unbeaten on 19, Geraint Jones batting on 29 after 30 overs.


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Comments

Every now and again, some gutter newspaper sends out employees to "prove" that security somewhere-or-otherr is "lax". It couldn't be such a stunt gone wrong, could it?

Posted by: dearieme | Jul 21, 2005 2:10:01 PM

No I don't think so. The newspaper that does it is always the Sun[1] and they never use anything that could actually go bang (which means that they never take the risk of alerting sniffer dogs which a few people in the security industry think is unfair).

[1]The Guardian decided once to play a practical joke on their competitors by building their own dummy bomb to take into Wapping to show how lax the Sun's own security was. Trouble was, having built it, they went out for a boozy lunch and by the time they came back the entire Guardian offices had been evacuated by Farringdon Road's own not-so-lax security staff.

Posted by: dsquared | Jul 21, 2005 2:27:37 PM

The London Transport correspondant on Radio 5 live was suggesting that it may be a terrorist attack which has failed due to the detonators not initiating the main explosion. There was a report on Sky (3rd hand though) that a dismayed man with a exploded rucksack was seen. One person has been taken to hospital, which might tie in with Tim notes about armed Police attending a hospital.

But this is all a bit 2+2=5 at the moment.

Posted by: Eric | Jul 21, 2005 2:28:54 PM

More on the disappointed rucksack man:

"He said that a man was carrying a rucksack and the rucksack suddenly exploded. It was a minor explosion but enough to blow open the rucksack. The man then made an exclamation as if something had gone wrong. At that point everyone rushed from the carriage."

Posted by: Eric | Jul 21, 2005 2:36:12 PM

Like last time, live feeds in Australia as it happens. We are as informed here as anyone in London as fast as London is informed.

Sky News feed on Channel 7, ITN on Channel 9, ABC is showing a repeat of Auf Wiedersehen Pet and SBS is showing the Ashes Test.

Lets hear it for sang froid.

Posted by: Chris harper | Jul 21, 2005 3:01:27 PM

And at the same time I am texting the news as I get it to a friend in Rodrigues (Island, Indian Ocean, Pop 40,000)

God, I love globalisation.

I don't care who the bastards are, we are all in this together.

Posted by: Chris harper | Jul 21, 2005 3:07:22 PM

Our local NBC station is carrying it live. (Pulling in the MSNBC feed...).
OUr local FOX station is carrying their usual programmin - would have expected the opposite.

Posted by: Kathy K | Jul 21, 2005 3:23:17 PM

They've arrested a dude!

Posted by: Alan Connor | Jul 21, 2005 3:27:42 PM

I think it's a replay of 7/7 designed to mock the police and to scare people even further. They simply don't have the means to put together a more deadly attack--they would have, if they could have.


Today, the "Muslim leaders" Blair begged for helped are the biggests losers. I would imagine the free PC pass has just been withdrawn across the sceptered isle.

Posted by: Patricia | Jul 21, 2005 3:38:28 PM

News 24 is saying the arrested guy might have just been some jerk.

Posted by: Alan Connor | Jul 21, 2005 3:39:51 PM

I'm worried that these might be university students, deciding to play a "joke" on people. They've been known to do idiotic things like this before.

Posted by: MikeTheLibrarian | Jul 21, 2005 3:54:30 PM

Most odd. Three tubes and a bus. Same as last time. But last time that was an accident, this time it looks deliberate. Like the *most important thing* was to copy the attacks on the 7th.

Posted by: Alan Connor | Jul 21, 2005 4:38:38 PM

"He said that a man was carrying a rucksack and the rucksack suddenly exploded. It was a minor explosion but enough to blow open the rucksack. The man then made an exclamation as if something had gone wrong. At that point everyone rushed from the carriage."

My first thought when I read this: Why didn't someone tackle this guy, or chase him down? I keep hoping to see signs of Prof. Reynolds’s oft-quoted phrase, "A pack, not a herd," in the Brit response to attacks on their own soil. Please, don't mistake me -- I'm a profound anglophile. Have I simply misread the response here? Or is this the inevitable realization of Enoch Powell's "blood in the Tiber"?

BN

Posted by: Brother Nikko | Jul 21, 2005 4:51:01 PM

You might want to let the smoke clear and the cops finish digging out the dead from the last time before accusing us of cowardice, BN.

As far as I know, one bomber was tackled by members of the public but got away, and another man was chased out of a station shouting "What's wrong with these people?"

A useful contribution. Not.

Posted by: Alex | Jul 21, 2005 4:59:05 PM

A fortnight ago, I opined to the Pedant-General "... It is therefore surprising that daily or weekly attacks on the public transport systems of the great Western cities are not routine....Then let's wonder why it hasn't happened yet: thinking caps on." Maybe they are just short of suicide bombers? Or timers? Or bomb-makers? If the latter, God help us all if they come by a decent supply of Semtex before we devise some system of attacking them.

Posted by: dearieme | Jul 21, 2005 5:05:24 PM

I have a feeling (based on no evidence at all of course) that we might find the sticky little fingers of the far right all over this one.

but every reason that you advance to support this could also be applied to left and muslim groups; we just don't know enough right now to point any fingers.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley | Jul 21, 2005 5:27:25 PM

Tim - Are the far right clad in black and white minstrel show camoflage?

Or perhaps the spirit of J Vialls was messing with your mind?

Posted by: Rob Read | Jul 21, 2005 5:41:23 PM

Alex - as I said, this was a first thought, not a final one.

I'm glad to read from your report that some immediate attempt was made to apprehend those responsible for this latest outrage. It's an understandably sore subject for those, like you, on the scene and I apologize for my initial glibness.

Again, I hope you'll forgive my less than sanguine response; you see, I read the Guardian and watch the Beeb. I swear, it's only the Telegraph and Sky News from here on out! ;-]

Posted by: Brother Nikko | Jul 21, 2005 6:09:46 PM

Tim,

Still glad to see that the British keep things in perspective! Stuff the bombers, who's winning at the cricket?

Posted by: Mike Cunningham | Jul 21, 2005 7:01:06 PM

Sounds like duff explosives. They may have 'gone off' since being made. This certainly sounds like a repeat of 7/7 - what's the point of letting off detonators ? They're harder to get hold of than explosives.

Posted by: Laban Tall | Jul 21, 2005 7:22:46 PM

Extremely dismayed?

"Your arm's off."

"No it's not...tis but a flesh wound."

Posted by: Tom Kratman | Jul 21, 2005 7:36:23 PM

Ny wife was in London today and she says that the people around her don't seem to really know what to say today as opposed to two weeks ago when they were only too happy to talk about it.

Though that may have worn off. She says that the pubs and clubs are doing a fine trade from what she has seen.

One thing that I have definitely noticed is that people who would have previously held their tongues are putting forward some pretty draconian solutions. One guy that I have hardly spoken to was advocating internment for all Muslims / Immigrants just like we did to the Germans in WWII. After all, "we are at war". I think that the awaited anti-Muslim backlash is finally here. Very concerning. It wouldn't take too many more of these before we start to see race riots.

On the upside, thanks for the first genuine laugh that I've had all day. What's a bunch of firecrackers compared to the glorious sound of leather on willow?

Posted by: Rafar | Jul 21, 2005 10:58:16 PM

I don't think this was trivial. Luckily it was unsuccessful. But it is clear from the early reports that the intent was a repeat.

Being attacked fortnightly is not going to shut London down - Lord know Goering could not shut London down - but it will help swing the saner elements on the Left over to an anti-appeasement position. Red Ken, George, Drabble and Short will not be moved; but the less silly will get angry rather than feel guilty.

And that is important.

Posted by: Jay Currie | Jul 21, 2005 11:11:18 PM

Yes, because acting from anger rather than calm thought is always a sensible move.

Posted by: mrs mcmuffin | Jul 21, 2005 11:28:47 PM

More Explosions in London: Psy-ops in Progress - MI5/US/Israeli Set-Up

http://www.team8plus.org/forum_viewtopic.php?6.517

Cui Bono?

Quote:

This seems to be little more than fearmongering on behalf of the government. They were very insulted by the fact that a large portion of the population didn't buy their official story on the London bombings and this is an attempt to scare the people into not asking questions. Or it could just be idiot copycats who made weak home-made bombs. Either way, the same people who were behind the London bombings benefit from this.

BBC reported that one of the individuals' rucksacks exploded and he looked surprised and dismayed. Who is planting these devices in people's luggage?

Sky News reported that Tony Blair was already in a crisis meeting which overlapped with the alert. Another case of preparing to 'control' the chaos as it unfolded?


How on earth could the UK intel services 'allow' the 'running man' escape, what with the UK capital London having so much security and cameras! - this proves it was an MI5/US/Israeli job

They can find Saddam, but allow the 'running man' to vanish itnto thin air!

Can't the UK people realize their own goverment is doing this!


Stay Tuned For More False Flag Ops Coming


Posted by: Trinity | Jul 22, 2005 12:09:00 AM